Je suis tombé sur une discussion dans le sous-mygoodcool gaming Linux à propos de l’efficacité du DLSS 2X et de la génération d’images multi-frame sur Linux. De mon côté, je n’ai pas eu beaucoup de chance avec ma config équipée d’une 5090. L’utilisateur avec qui je parlais affirmait n’avoir quasiment aucun problème.
Soit. J’ai trouvé ça sur YouTube, une vidéo qui a même pas trois semaines. Le système est très similaire au mien, les principales différences étant que j’ai un i9-13900KS et le double de RAM, mais bon, d’un point de vue gaming, ces configs devraient être assez proches.
Titre de la vidéo : **I Got Multi Frame Generation Working on Linux(RTX 5090 and It DESTROYS Windows)** ** J’ai lancé ce benchmark trois fois et j’ai vérifié à chaque fois que mes paramètres étaient identiques. Mes résultats sont en haut, ceux de la vidéo en bas : Linux \\ »Destroying\\ » Windows with 5090 4x frame gen J’ai posté ça sur le sous-mygoodcool gaming Linux et la réponse a bien sûr été négative, avec des gens qui disaient : « T’as jamais entendu parler de putaclic ? ».
Mais comment tu PEUX savoir que c’est du putaclic sans le tester toi-même ? Je parie que beaucoup, voire la plupart des gens là-bas, accepteraient simplement que, en effet, Windows se fait « détruire » dans ce test. Si un utilisateur Windows postait quelque chose d’aussi trompeur sur les performances de Linux, ce même groupe ne se contenterait JAMAIS de balayer ça d’un revers de main en criant au putaclic ; ils déclencheraient un tollé contre la désinformation anti-Linux.
Personnellement, je trouve que les partisans de Linux propagent BIEN plus de fausses infos sur Windows, surtout parce que cette communauté a besoin de bien plus de joueurs si elle veut un jour vraiment rivaliser avec Windows dans le jeu PC. Si vous n’aimez pas Windows et ne voulez pas l’utiliser, très bien. Mais si vous utilisez la désinformation pour faire du prosélytisme, ça va créer de la rancœur et ça finira par se retourner contre vous.
**EDIT :** Certains ici essaient de défendre le Youtubeur, alors j’ai relancé le test avec l’enregistrement du Game Bar de Windows, avec OneNote, Discord et Bambu Studio ouverts en arrière-plan. Toujours pas proche du tout. Et pour ceux qui parlent des différences de CPU, merci de consulter quelques benchmarks avant d’avancer des affirmations farfelues.
Le i7-13700K est très proche du i9-13900KS. La différence entre les deux ne serait vraiment marquée que dans des tâches fortement parallélisées.
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Je comprends ce que tu dis, j’ai eu des problèmes similaires avec ma RTX 5090 sur Linux. C’est frustrant quand ça ne fonctionne pas comme prévu.
Ya, that is something that drives me nuts from Linux folk that there is a lot of over exaggeration in the Linux world, at best if you do see an improvement over frame-rate it’s marginal. Apparently loading times are generally better though but I’m not personally adapt at noticing that type of thing and Ive only switched like a couple months ago(last nov or so)
Good luck optimizing close source drivers
Please don’t waste expensive hardware on Linux. It is all made to run on Windows, both hardware and software.
I’ve come to something of the same conclusion. Linux is lighter weight and can perform better on lower spec AMD hardware like the majority of PC gaming handhelds. But it doesn’t scale up well, at least on nVidia GPUs and while I don’t have any personal experience with modern AMD discrete GPUs, I’d say you won’t see a 7900 XTX run overall much better as well.
It’s not that it does scale up very well, it’s that Nvidia simply don’t produce good drivers for Linux and some features and performance is missing because of that. High end AMD GPUs work just as well, same as CPUs as well. Writing GPU drivers is very costly and time consuming. As AMD GPU drivers are open source, the community can fix the bugs and any possible issues.
>It’s not that it does scale up very well, it’s that Nvidia simply don’t produce good drivers for Linux and some features and performance is missing because of that. Perhaps scale isn’t the correct term. What I’m saying that the effects of bloat in Windows tend to dissipate after you get to a certain point. On this kind of hardware, the efficiencies of Linux also dissipate. The more hardware you throw at it, the less advantage Linux has over Windows. Indeed, the more hardware you throw at Linux, the more unstable it becomes because yeah, the hardware support kinda sucks for modern hardware. Not saying it’s Linux’s fault, but that doesn’t matter in practical use.
That’s only true when the hardware is very new. For the remainder of its lifetime the performance will be better on Linux due to improvements made to the software and decreasing performance on the Windows side due to increasing bloat. If you want or need to run Windows it’s best to do so now on your newest hardware. You can run Linux on your older hardware with decent performance, if you decide to keep said older hardware.
> For the remainder of its lifetime the performance will be better on Linux due to improvements made to the software and decreasing performance on the Windows side due to increasing bloat. Not true for even old nVidia cards.
Then don’t use Nvidia cards. But I’d rather run Linux than any version of Windows. In fact I have a separate Windows computer for running legacy Windows software, which rarely gets turned on.
Defenition of Monopoly and illegal market manipulation.
Thank God i don’t play games so I can enjoy linux to the fullest
Unfortunately it’s NVIDIA’s problem at this point, having spoken to people who work on the Linux graphics stack the only difference is that because AMD is more transparent they… actually fix problems, when NVIDIA said they’d be fixing Linux stuff they also listed a ton of stuff that they’d intentionally not fix (like the settings panel that looks like it’s from 2009), it’s not the fault of Linux or those who work on the Linux GPU stack it’s on NVIDIA now, which I know doesn’t bring much solace to those who just want their GPU to work.
I triple checked them which took a while to make sure as he didn’t have stills of the settings and I to capture screen shots of the video to document them. That’s not to say that I didn’t do something wrong but where did this guy get the idea that this destroys Windows?
….why does it say you are on windows 11 Enterprise?
Because I am. Got it through work and it cost me as much as a copy of Linux, so I was curious to see if it had any advantages. It doesn’t really on a desktop not connected to a domain and has no impact either way on gaming performance that I’ve seen.
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>I can optimise the Linux kernel config, kernel compile flags and system so it will beat Windows in performance. This is exactly the type of thing I’m talking about. Performance claims that ultimately aren’t true. What you’re saying doesn’t add up because this is mostly about the GPUs drivers.
I kinda find it funny. Anyone that has looked into it would know that Nvidia drivers are behind on Linux. Faking performance boosts on Linux is just pathetic. With amd we know you gain a boost on Linux, but the drivers are also open source. For me it was the biggest reason I switched to amd in my last build.
« I didn’t have an issue with Nvidia on Linux » people are annoying as fuck
Seriously! I sold my 2080 because it sucked so much.
I’m annoying but I’m running my 2080ti in an arch setup. I haven’t gamed that much but both elden ring and dark souls 3 work fine so far.
yes, but maxFPS would be higher in Windows I suppose?! that IS kind of an issue
Well elden ring and ds3 are capped to 60fps. I started lies of p today and it works great too, but I did cap it to 60fps aswell. I can go higher obviously but im happy with 50% gpu load, 8gb vram usage, and 170w, while playing. It’s hardcoded to power throttle at 200w even if the cap is 280w.
Yeah I learned the hard way how broken it is recently. It works great actually if you’re using a fairly conservative and binary-friendly distro (See: Ubuntu), keeping it on X11 with Gnome and not touching the UI at all. In that case, it’s rock solid and you’ll rarely have issues except for stuff like DLSS. The moment you want to use Wayland for, say, Hyprland, all that gets thrown out the window and you’re in the trenches.
Offtopic but bruh people obsessing over performance while having well over 120 fps and buying expensive equipment that is so good it surpasses human perception to be noticeable
I get your point but there are monitors that can support these refresh rates and even higher. So it’s not exactly moot. For me, 120 hz is the sweet spot. I have a 240 hz QHD monitor and that’s where I really can’t feel the difference over 120. But 60 to 120 is HUGE.
Seems like we agree Though, if it indeed gradually becomes hardly noticable, it all comes down to « numbers go brrr »?
Yeah, I wasn’t disagreeing, just pointing out that this hardware that can utilize these framerates. Most people wouldn’t notice, I wouldn’t and for now I’m happy with 120 hz at 4k. But this can have purpose for competitive gamers. A much better test would have been at 4k, not sure what this guy was thinking because who the hell is running a 5090 for a single player game like this at 1080p?
I know people won’t care what the cause is, because on windows « it works » and on Linux « it doesn’t work* », but the main culprit remains nvidia. Had they not been so hostile to Linux in the desktop context and actually made a driver that can work properly, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
So your results on Win 11 were much better than for Win 10 on the video. Gotcha. But what were your results on Linux? EDIT: It seems that OP hasn’t tested the Linux performance on their own machine which is similar but not the same as what they are comparing to. Ironically this post is yet another clickbait.
First of all, NO ONE was running Windows 10. That’s just how Proton was reporting the Windows version on Linux.
Ok, my bad. But what were the results for Linux on your hardware?
It’s ok, this is confusing for a lot of people. Proton is used by Linux distros to run games. When he said that’s how Proton is reporting the version that means the one showing Windows 10 is his Linux install.
I know what Proton is, I use it myself too. The thing is that the screencap you see is not *their* install but one from the video with similar but nevertheless different hardware.
The Win10 results are the Linux results. It’s a reporting misnomer.
Yes but from the video, not on OP’s setup
Proton has to report a version of Windows back to apps because they are Windows apps, not Linux and apps often need to know about the OS they are running on for compatibility and feature setting. A version of Linux would normally mean nothing to a Windows app, even on Proton, and could crash or prevent it from running at all. Proton/Wine have to pretty much mimic everything the app would do on Windows, that’s why Proton/Wine have to be constantly updated.
Faster processor makes the performance differ. What a revelation, OP.
The i7-13700K is going to have pretty much the same performance i9-1300KS in gaming workloads. The difference between them would be most noted in heavily multi-threaded situations, and that’s not this game or most.
The KS is one of the fastest clocked CPUs there, and while multi-core is not that important after 6 cores, the KS still is better than the i7. Probably not as much as shown in the benchmark, but it still skews the results.
The i7-13700K is just a step down from the i9-13900KS. It wouldn’t even begin to account for a difference this big. If this were just a 10% or 20% difference, I wouldn’t even have bothered with this post. But this big of a difference with that title in particular, yeah, I thought this deserved some scrutiny because far too many Linux performance benefits simply go unchecked.
>No reason to use windows if you have the right hardware. It all comes down to the hardware and software one uses. Windows supports everything I do on my PCs, any PC game I want to play no matter anti-cheat or the store, dev work, the AI/ML class I’m taking, office productivity including my go to note taking app OneNote, full support of my hardware including my OLED HDR/VRR monitors and VR headsets and now my 3D printing work with my slicer and now Fusion for advanced modeling that I’m learning. Pretty much every single need and want without countless hours of researching HDR or messing with ALVR or whatever for the Quest 3 (also have a PSVR 2 headset and there’s no support for that) and I don’t have to deal with the nVidia issues that so many Linux users bitch about. Windows isn’t perfect, but Linux is far from perfection itself and its 3rd party support pales in comparison to Windows. That’s the reason why Windows is so damned practical for people wanting to do things on their PCs rather than mess with them constantly.
Proceeds to make up a fact about water. Water is not wet, it makes other items wet.
Being wet and making other things wet are not mutually exclusive options
Water is not wet.
Maybe a bit off topic but I would never trust the claims of someone who uses an anime whatever-the-hell-that-is on the corner of his video.
You’ve never mentioned the distro, which desktop environment are you using? are you using wayland or X11? Which driver are you using? Which version of proton are you exactly using?. Also, you could be missing some ROPs, are you using the latest BIOS? Which Motherboard are you using? Actual RAM speed? SSD? Is that person using additional parameters to that game??? All that stuff really matters if you want to benchmark or get the best performance from your hardware+os
Not sure what you mean, I’m running Windows 11. The Youtube video guy’s specs are in the video description.
You have better specs, your processor is so much better for gaming and will give more FPS for the 5090, additionally, recording or streaming on the same machine degrades the performance a lot, furthermore, there could be a difference between different 5090s, some with missing rops, some with tweaks, so I don’t see the problem with saying that linux gaming is better, a lot of games will run smoother, better 1% and, in some cases, more FPS and less power draw, that leads to a better gaming experience. You need to make your own tests on Linux and on Windows to make a claim, also, NVidia needs to fix a lot of issues with their drivers, on the AMD side, is just a better experience for most games.
You’re grasping at straws. Read up on these processors, the i7-13700K is like 5% slower in gaming than the i9-13900KS. As to your second point, that one’s reasonable so just ran it this again with using Windows Game Bar recording, while running OneNote from MS Office and my 3D printer slicer open and Discord, added the results to the OP, still blows the Linux performance away.
Not grasping at straws, NVidia drivers are really bad in terms of performance, you lose around 30% of FPS in DirectX12 games, although there is a workaround for some games, between the 13700K and the 13900KS there’s around a 10% of difference in games, a 5% due to streaming or recording, that’s a lot. When you benchmark, you really need an ideal situation, using the exactly same hardware and BIOS config, exactly the same software and version for streaming and recording, etc. Finally, when you see those serious chart tables comparing Windows handhelds vs SteamOS, on the same hardware, FPS are really better, games feel smoother and battery life increased a lot, between 25% and almost a 50% more, depending on the game. AMD hardware of course. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
>You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. LOL! You’re hilarious. You say all you did, and the question should be why in the hell did this guy title that video that way when I clearly showed it’s BS. Run it for yourself.
I have a dual boot with Windows 11 and Kubuntu 25.04, a lot of games run just better on Linux, on Windows is a stutterfest
With this class of hardware on Windows 11, only the most demanding games at max settings at 4k even begin to have performance issues. Things that aren’t going run better on Linux for sure.
this is cyberpunk is it not?
Framegen and A1 in general is demon tech
How does it destroy Windows performance in the first place? NVIDIA is actually lacking proper VKD3D support, you lose up to 30% of total performance. This is the last thing that pushes me away from Linux. Other than that I find it a lot better than Windows
>How does it destroy Windows performance in the first place? Ask the guy who made the video and titled it that because I don’t know either. >Other than that I find it a lot better than Windows This is the kind of thing I am getting at with this thread. The reason I came across this video in the first place was because a Linux gaming fan was claiming how solid DLSS 2X frame generation was on Linux with a 4070Ti I think he has. So, I go looking around and this was a Linux setup very similar to mine and the video is less than three weeks old. Given the title I was curious honestly, how you or I or anyone really know if his title was true without testing it. There’s not a lot of benchmark data with out there with this class of hardware. Sure, it doesn’t seem right but there was really no way to know without actually taking a look.
Sometimes under very specific circumstances with AMD-Handhelds it can happen that Linux wins against Windows. But those are rare edgecases and not using Nvidia-GPUs so the guy in the video probably just wanted to do some clickbait hoping noone would notice.
with AMD gpus it is NOT rare anymore that Linux runs games faster. also minFPS is a lot better with Linux/AMD than in Windows, many games just feel smoother because of that
>Sometimes under very specific circumstances with AMD-Handhelds it can happen that Linux wins against Windows. I wasn’t trying to imply at all that Linux can’t be faster. But as you mention, it’s very much dependent on the hardware. And I think many Linux fans I think try to make whatever performance gains Linux has into a lot more than is really there.
Yeah, even as an avid Linux-user WITH a (cherry-picked) distro with out-of-the-box drivers… The computer still seems to hate me for no reason, lmao. It took me a full YEAR or more to find a distro that would launch a desktop at ALL… And keep in mind, I have an older 4060ti. I was also late to the party, lol. The GPU had been out for a good while by the time I got it, too. I’m sure this person managed to get it to work, sure… But like, at what cost? Lmao
Yeah that youtuber is just BS’ing. Nvidia on Linux (because their garbage drivers) takes a 20-30% performance hit in DX12 games (which doesn’t happen with AMD, and they have a similiar issue even with native emulation so it appears to be a bottle neck in the draw call pipeline) so there is 0 chance cyberpunk would run better on Linux.
Doesn’t cyberpunk on steam os run better? I saw some vids on handheld performance. I personally have had a smoother experience on Linux with gaming, even VR gaming, but I’m running AMD. I haven’t played cyberpunk though, so could it also just be that the hardware utilisation is just that different?
Yes, but because anything running SteamOS is not running on NVIDIA but on AMD, that hardware will actually get you more performance on Linux on the majority of games now.
NGL, sounds like Linux is now simply better for gaming, and that Nvidia and windows is just worse.
That varies a lot depending on the current graphics card market and which graphics card is the cheapest at the time. Right now AMD has very good mid-range offerings so I would say that it is a good time to go for AMD+Linux and would encourage anyone to try it.
That’s fair, but honestly I’d never buy Nvidia, even if I was a windows person, because why would I want the Linux bros to be knocked down by nvidias awful business practises. Together we stand, divided we fall.
Dude thanks for doing this comparison. It’s this kind of deceptive nonsense that hurts us all, and the irony is that Linux folks seem very quick to come out with excuses when people are flat out lying (« just clickbait bro »). That shouldn’t be acceptable. Post your real stats or sit your ass down lol! (Also of course Linux is the one lying. They gotta pad their stats. It’s the only way they can win.)
Thanks! I get not liking Windows or Microsoft and having something like Linux not controlled or own by a single corporation. But everything has its strengths and weaknesses, and some Linux fans have a tough time acknowledging basic this fact of life when it comes to Windows and Linux. Sure, there are Windows zealots, but I think most Windows users who care about tech stuff like this are much more practically inclined than Linux folks of the same inclination. If Linux becomes a consistently reliable way to game and work that’s better than Windows, and I mean better across the board, great. I’ll be happy to use it for my wants and needs. It’s not a problem I think for people like me who actually like Windows. If it’s better than Windows with Windows is good and at, I’ll like that even more.
What is even the point of Linux gaming? I’m using GNU/Linux as my main desktop OS for 20y but I have Windows on dual boot for gaming (and to run some other Windows only programs). Why make your life unnecessarily hard with a Linux-only setup if you care about gaming? If you play popular games you are not a FOSS purist anyway, might as well just run them on Windows.
Constantly rebooting just to play a game is annoying. Windows also takes shit ton of space.
Here are the games that I found that for whatever reason run better on Linux / Vulkan than they do on Windows: * Horizon Zero Dawn: Complete Edition (Not remastered) just could not get this DX12 game working well with modern nvidia drivers on modern windows. Linux fixed these issues
* Snowrunner – stuttery in windows for me, not in Linux
* GTA IV – same as snowrunner, just runs better on Linux
* Ghost of Tsushima – crashes constantly on windows, doesn’t crash on Linux
* RDR1 – same as ghost I don’t like that the solution for me to play these games is an entirely different operating system, but that’s why I use it
> GTA IV That’s because Linux uses DXVK by default. It also works on Windows but you need to do it manually. Not that hard though
DXVK is likely the reason for all the other games running better too, that’s why I said Linux / Vulkan.
I have been trying to get HDR gaming in Windows on my TV working for a very long time and it has never succeeded. Yesterday I tried to do it in Linux and I was successful, and I was able to set up a desktop file so I could log directly into steam big picture mode. Finally playing games on my PC again! If it had actually worked in Windows, I probably would be playing in Windows, because I’m sure it would perform better. But I’m happy to actually be playing Indiana Jones on my TV and have the colors look right
If I rebooted into Windows every time I’m playing a game, I’d have no use for the Linux install.
I totally agree with this. I dual boot primarily for testing purposes as I’ve been doing this a long time and like to keep up with things. There are situations like PC gaming handhelds where Linux can make sense. Unless you just hate Microsoft or paranoid about privacy, news flash, you have none in this day and age unless you live off the grid on Mars, it’s just more trouble than it’s worth for a general-purpose desktop/laptop.
>(they’re not all shown in that last, post benchmark screen) You have to look at the beginning of the video and take some quick screenshots as he went through it pretty fast. Would be curious to see what you get. But I seriously doubt it’ll « destroy » Windows.
Ah ok apologies, I didn’t watch the video. I’ll update if/when I get time (my second PC with win11/arch is at my partners place). oh yeah, no way can Linux « destroy » windows. Maybe like 2-3%ish better performance and less interrupts(?) but the hardware IS the hardware lol, an operating system isn’t magic
I tested a few things and it turns out that it’s about the same or a tiny bit faster.. until you add any ray tracing which kills performance, at least it did for me. Windows wins… for now
I think for most people the performance really isn’t the problem. I just can’t run all the shit I need for gaming besides the game on Linux.
Out of curiosity, what programs do you need for gaming that don’t run on Linux?
First, games themselves. I occasionally play very old games and some arnt really working with Proton. The there are a multidude of other things I use. Tbh I don’t know which one have a Linux version or would work with Proton. Excel for keeping track of certain informations – 100% viable alternatives, I just don’t know them. Same with GrepWin to search through thousands of game files. The there are mutliple third party launcher. Besides the big ones like Epic, Gog or the Ubisoft bullshit, there are still a lot of games with standalone launchers. Randomizers often are .Net programs or batch files you have to execute. Modloaders also could be effected there. Then there are save game editors or viewers like « Pdx-Unlimited ». Lastly it’s a lot of utility stuff. FanControl for custom fan curves, Borderless Gaming for semless Borderless window mode, discord for communication etc etc.
Heard, everyone has their reasons. I do think some of this would work, and it amuses me that you put “GrepWin” which is named after a Linux command which (presumably) does the same thing. But yeah, it’s annoying to learn how to do stuff a new way. You’re right that there are no 1:1 replacements for some of that stuff. I found it to be worthwhile to make some workflow changes but not everyone does.
Discord was literally the first flatpak i downloaded after booting linux for the first time. What do you mean there’s no discord on linux?
I did state that some (if not most) of these exist on Linux or have corresponding alternatives, just that I don’t know which ones. Therefore I explicitly did not state that discord isn’t on Linux.
You said “I just can’t run all the shit I need for gaming besides the game on Linux. You were then asked “what programs do you need for gaming that don’t run on Linux”. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were answering the question. Why is it that you said with certainty that your reasoning for not using linux is that you just can’t run every program you like to use, but when asked about what those programs actually are, you had no idea?
I do everything you’ve listed here on Linux minus the borderless gaming thing since I’ve never heard of that and I just use Fullscreen
Just don’t bother with Linux. It’s a whole different OS with its own packages, software and stuff, surely there are common apps like Discord available, yet you’ll basically have to learn everything from scratch. I mean, if everything you need is on Windows and you’re comfortable with it just stick with Windows
For me a big one is Playnite. May be coming to Linux down the road but there’s nothing like it on Linux currently.